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Read June 03, 2007, 06:12:20 am #0
TehSilentOne

BW-BG! (Disqualified)

TehSilentOne has decided that he will be attempting a black and white shooter.. with the emphasis being on the colors. ^_^
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Read June 03, 2007, 05:03:26 pm #1
Adigun A. Polack

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Interesting!  Ok TehSilentOne, you are now accepted into this competition, and be sure to do your very best... and be as MOST CREATIVE as you can, too!!!  Grin=b

Best of such awesome good fortune to you on this project!!!  Cool !
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Read June 03, 2007, 05:05:27 pm #2
jellyf15h

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Whoooo intersupportiveness
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Read June 04, 2007, 02:10:37 pm #3
cactus

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Awesome! I'll be expecting a lot. And don't forget the final polish this time! I think that's the only reason your space invaders clone never got the attention it deserved  tongue2
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Read June 04, 2007, 02:37:12 pm #4
Shoot-em-upper

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TehSilentOne made a Space Invaders clone?  Sorry for proving Cactus' point, but I haven't heard of it.


I came, I saw, I posted.
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Read June 04, 2007, 02:42:14 pm #5
cactus

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Yeah, he sure did. It was a actually one of many sources of inspiration for Clean Asia! I really like the ideas in it, very fresh and original. Best Space Invader clone that I've ever played, that's for sure.


http://indygamer.blogspot.com/2006/10/nvaders.html
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Read June 04, 2007, 05:09:55 pm #6
Shoot-em-upper

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I must admit, Clean Asia does share some similarities with NVaders.  The game looks fun.


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Read June 04, 2007, 11:26:33 pm #7
TehSilentOne

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lol.thx Cactus ^_^ i still don't see why you like that game? Tongue
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Read June 28, 2007, 11:29:57 pm #8
TehSilentOne

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alright..

i took Cactus's idea of a fractal-ized shooter, and took 'tree' as the literal thing.  i want worms crawling around in it.. apples falling.. other.. 'tree' things..  Roll Eyes

*working on more interesting trees atm*

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Read June 29, 2007, 01:29:15 am #9
cactus

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Looking good, and sounding interesting. I wonder what it'll turn out like Smiley
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Read June 29, 2007, 04:20:16 am #10
TehSilentOne

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white bubbly things cool with you all? (image is smaller than actual; how do i change the size to something like a clean 1/4 scale?)

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Read June 29, 2007, 04:44:14 am #11
Adigun A. Polack

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TehSilentOne, the screenshots for your contest project here are simple-looking in colors, yet interesting in a sense!  And that huge tree-like thing sounds very promising as well!!!  wink2=b

I’d say you’re off and running, and make sure you add some options, too!!!  Grin !
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Read June 29, 2007, 10:30:28 am #12
alillm

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That’s looking awesome Smiley, really interesting stuff going on there. I can't wait to see what the gameplay is like. So are all the enemies going to come from the tree or is the tree the actual enemy? You could take the enemy hive thing literally and have bee hives that release killer bees until they are destroyed  Tongue.

Ali
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Read June 29, 2007, 12:09:33 pm #13
pixelizr

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I like the look. As it is, the game would probably feel like a painting that has come to life. Smiley
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Read June 29, 2007, 04:52:34 pm #14
monoRAIL

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This looks nice. I hope you'll have red apples falling off the tree for pickups!
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Read June 29, 2007, 07:02:36 pm #15
the2bears

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This looks nice. I hope you'll have red apples falling off the tree for pickups!

et tu Newton? Smiley

Bill


the2bears - the indie shmup blog
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Read June 29, 2007, 11:11:47 pm #16
TehSilentOne

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found the solution to the 'slowdown' in gameplay in FractalFighter, cactus. Tongue

*trees grow* :O bloom flowers and such..
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Read June 30, 2007, 07:29:27 pm #17
Shoot-em-upper

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Nice concept, very original.  The original tree design reminds me of what happens when you plant a seed and water it in this game:

http://fallingsandgame.com/sand/NewSand.html


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Read July 21, 2007, 05:03:38 am #18
TehSilentOne

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ok.. haven't had much time to work at all on this. (*damn job.. ^___^), but i've made a little progress.

http://www.willhostforfood.com/files/83564/tree.exe

gimme framerate issues, and any other c&c you have to throw at me. currently, im wavering from 26-30 fps, with it capped at 30 for stability, but i know i can trim that a little bit.

I still have to make the patterns interesting, but whatever. Imma add the option(s?) next.. they will be optained by keeping alive the larger regrown limbs.

:shoot!:
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Read July 21, 2007, 05:49:44 am #19
pixelizr

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What are your recommended system requirements? It runs at around 10 fps on a Thinkpad X31 (1.6GHz Pentium M with a 16MB low-end Radeon), and drops to 1 fps when the "Biomass Online!" appears. If I may pitch in a comment, I know my PC isn't the newest one out there, but I think the frame rate shouldn't be that slow basing on the visuals I currently see. Of course, I have no idea on what kind of computing power is required to generate that regenerating tree, so... Smiley
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Read July 21, 2007, 06:01:54 am #20
TehSilentOne

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hmm.. regardless of your system..

*shite*
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Read July 21, 2007, 08:06:16 am #21
the2bears

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23-24 fps here, on my older laptop.  It's a 1.73GHz Pentium M, with 1GB and an ATI Mobility Radeon X300.  It's not new, but then again it was still able to do 60 fps with the very intense fluid dynamics of Riders on the Storm... so I'd look around for something that's causing the slowdown.

Bill


the2bears - the indie shmup blog
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Read July 21, 2007, 09:20:14 am #22
Adigun A. Polack

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TehSilentOne, I found myself having a WHOLE lot of great fun with your demo so far, and I absolutely love the action so far... and I even got a rush at dodging the many lasers while shooting off the tree and its branches and leaves that grow back!!!  Most awesome work so far!!!  d=Grin=b !

The one thing that needs fixing though is this error message that I got as I delved deeper and deeper into the game:

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___________________________________________
ERROR in
action number 1
of  Step Event
for object fractal:

In script fractal_step:
In script limb_position:
Error in code at line 1:
   global.lx = lx;

at position 13: Unknown variable lx

...and if you can overcome that, you are *well* on your way towards being one of the stand-out contenders in this competition!!  Keep up the great work, my man TehSilentOne!!!  Wink !!

(By the way, your demo ran 25-30fps on my computer so far.  Good start on the frame rate!!  Cool )
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Read July 21, 2007, 06:19:43 pm #23
TehSilentOne

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alright then. Smiley

@pizelizr: i was testing this with some pals of mine, and i think the problem is your 16mb.

@Adigun: thanks for the support! I'll see if i can't recreate that error, because i had it before and believed i fixed it. Tongue

@the2bears: that would be my very unoptimized code. ^___^ I'll be working on that for a while, indeed..
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Read July 21, 2007, 07:06:04 pm #24
stwelin

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Yeah, i'm getting about 16 fps steady. But i can run a bunch of blending and particles in GM on my system. 2.26 GHz P4, 128mb Radeon.

Are you using gamemaker's precision collision detection on each segment of the tree thing?
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Read July 21, 2007, 07:40:23 pm #25
Kairos

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17 FPS average 5 minutes into the game, shooting like a maniac.

2.10 ghz Athlon XP 3000+
256 mb Radeon 9550

Did you mention the controls? I found that the A button shoots something, apparently.
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Read July 21, 2007, 08:00:09 pm #26
Adigun A. Polack

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Boy, way to figure that out, Kairos... it is definitely the “A” key that fires indeed.  I thought it was the “Z” key that does that at first, but I for one had absolutely no problems with the current firing key myself, and that is good news right there!!  grin2=b
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Read July 21, 2007, 08:19:25 pm #27
TehSilentOne

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@stwelin: I'm drawing rectangles rather than sprites, so i'm using line_collision. :/
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Read July 21, 2007, 08:50:08 pm #28
alillm

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I played it earlier and it’s great. Sorry I can't remember what frame rate I got, but it seemed smooth enough to me. Hope you don't have too much trouble with the speed.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this one completed.

Ali
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Read July 21, 2007, 08:51:38 pm #29
Kairos

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Boy, way to figure that out, Kairos...
It was sarcasm, but... ouch.
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Read July 21, 2007, 11:45:51 pm #30
Adigun A. Polack

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Boy, way to figure that out, Kairos...
It was sarcasm, but... ouch.

Seriously, I was not using that as sarcasm, Kairos... I was actually using it as an encouraging means to say, “I agree with you”.  That is what I meant, and so I apologize for any trouble I might have caused by saying that one.  Now do you understand?  Smiley !

(By the way, I do not do sarcasm myself because that is *not* part of my very nature.  That is all.  wink1 )
« Last Edit: July 21, 2007, 11:48:05 pm by Adigun A. Polack »
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Read July 22, 2007, 12:22:57 am #31
the2bears

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(By the way, I do not do sarcasm myself because that is *not* part of my very nature.  That is all.  wink1 )

But if you did this would be a fine example  Grin Cool Wink

Bill


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Read July 22, 2007, 12:38:56 am #32
Adigun A. Polack

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Actually, the2bears, I try to have as much fun as I can without going too over-the-top.  You know how it is.  Wink

Alright.  Getting back on topic with this game project of BW-BG!`, I really think that TehSilentOne is doing such an awesome job with creating the game and making this original premise work so well so far, and I hope that streak continues for him indeed!!!  grin1 !
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Read July 22, 2007, 01:00:55 am #33
Kairos

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Quote
Seriously, I was not using that as sarcasm, Kairos... I was actually using it as an encouraging means to say, “I agree with you”.  That is what I meant, and so I apologize for any trouble I might have caused by saying that one.  Now do you understand?  Smiley !

(By the way, I do not do sarcasm myself because that is *not* part of my very nature.  That is all.  wink1 )

No, I was referring to my original statement as sarcasm, not yours, sorry about that  Grin

And yea, let's get back on track. TehSilentOne is doing a great job so far.

« Last Edit: July 22, 2007, 01:04:58 am by Kairos »
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Read July 22, 2007, 04:50:34 am #34
TehSilentOne

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yeah, TehSilentOne is doing a 'great' job so far.. Tongue (/sarcasm)

^____^'
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Read July 22, 2007, 05:17:46 am #35
TehSilentOne

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on an actual note: i just found a twenty-line ( shall we say.. "snippet"? ) of code, that repeated the --same line-- an easy eight times..   embarrassed2
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Read July 22, 2007, 08:18:50 am #36
Adigun A. Polack

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As for what you said to me just now, Kairos, that is *perfectly* alright.  And no problems about it, too!!   Wink=b
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Read July 23, 2007, 05:42:04 am #37
TehSilentOne

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> fix the code so that splitting a branch more than 2 times may occur currectly :check:  Smiley
     ^ Currently adds one split every level.. just testing jank.  cool2

> added lazers (!)

> added a FPS option at the beginning.. i can run it at 60frames, but i recommend 30. Wink (*way to fast atm)

<< http://www.willhostforfood.com/files/106436/tree.exe >>

On to the Options! :O
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Read July 23, 2007, 11:55:59 am #38
pixelizr

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The demo now runs at a playable 15 fps on my PC, and I can now see why it runs so slowly. First, the game is in 1024x768 resolution (I didn't notice this earlier), and second, there is a very liberal amount of alphablended effects.
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Read July 23, 2007, 04:18:51 pm #39
the2bears

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Seems to run a steady 30fps here... actually, seemed to run at 60 fine except it was I that coudn't keep up with those white homing shots Smiley  Looking good, though, I'm liking this one.

Bill


the2bears - the indie shmup blog
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Read August 27, 2007, 05:25:13 am #40
TehSilentOne

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http://www.willhostforfood.com/files/187520/tree.exe

^ little update of sorts. Random and Normal games are the same; just there to 'test' (what's there to test?) the menu. Tongue

> i've make the options and such, but they're not working how i want them atm, so i left them out of the .exe. some other gameplay issues to address too, but not that bad i guess.

edit: i forgot to set the lives back up from one.  fixed the link.^__^
« Last Edit: August 27, 2007, 05:44:00 am by TehSilentOne »
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Read August 28, 2007, 03:13:36 pm #41
monoRAIL

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Pretty good fun, it ran at a constant 30fps for me.
A key for shoot is weird, but that's ok. I think you should slow down the enemy bullets a little, and have more of them. It's easy to get shot when you're looking at the tree and not even noticing the return fire.
Also, this game needs apples big-time. And maybe a caterpillar.
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Read August 29, 2007, 06:34:48 pm #42
Adigun A. Polack

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TehSilentOne, your game here looks very darn good there!!  All it needs are some options on your ship and you would be good to go as in making your entry more acceptable for this competition!!!  Wink=b

Now, I too have had a very tough time locating where the fire/start key is ( Sad )... until it turned out to be the “A” key that started it going, as I just found out.  I would recommend you setting that key back to the “Z” key where it belongs, man... that way, it will make things a real lot easier for us, since a WHOLE lot of PC shmups these days use the “Z” key indeed as the main firing button.  cool1 !

Also, I would follow the advice of apples and caterpillars that monoRAIL said... that will have the potential of making your game even better, you know!?  d=grin2=b

And here is what I just found out:



...you can shoot from here and pelt and pummel away at the MAIN part (according to the pink circle that I have highlighted here), destroying the whole entire tree easy in a whole lot of shots... especially when the tree has first blossomed!  That just takes away and ruins the whole challenge here, diminishing the game’s overall quality severely!!  sad1  Please make ONLY that main part collidable with your ship so that your ship is destroyed upon collision with only that thing (and *not* the other branches).  That way, you would keep both the challenge and the quality in for the player, got that?  grin1 !!

And finally, when you start a new ship after your last one is destroyed, make sure your ship is invincible for the first 3-5 seconds (along with the tell-tale ship flashing while in an invincibility state).  The key here is to be as fair to the player as you can while you are creating your game, man, and that is VERY important!!!  Grin

Please be sure to follow *all* of my advice here, TehSilentOne, and do not forget to add some hot sounds and even some excellent music, too!!!  police1=b
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Read August 29, 2007, 07:34:03 pm #43
TehSilentOne

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mm.. just collide with the trunk.. <_<

...

lol.. i was workin on having you collide w/ the whole thing. Tongue slowed the game down incredibly... i can't believe i didn't think of that.

@all - option powerups will be in the form of fruits, that blossum from the tree while it's in ''boss-mode'' if you let it live long-enough.

       - i've been trying to make some sound effects with audactiy.. anyone have some tips, links for tuts?
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Read August 29, 2007, 08:16:01 pm #44
the2bears

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But if you detect trunk collisions then you remove Tim's path to a hiscore Wink

Kidding Tim, I see you've been knocked off of a few top spots as well  Wink

Bill


the2bears - the indie shmup blog
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Read September 11, 2007, 08:14:26 pm #45
TehSilentOne

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mm.. haven't updated this thread in a while.. Tongue

what i've done since.. 'whenever':

- added trunk collisions..
- add joypad support (*it's more fun this way. <3 my 360controller )
- option stuff..

i don't think it warrants another 'demo', so i'll save off till the due date. ^__^ plus i actually have time from classes this week. good times..
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Read September 29, 2007, 07:13:41 pm #46
the2bears

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Code:
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ERROR in
action number 1
of Draw Event
for object menu_obj:

Error in code at line 11:
       print_centered( room_width/2, 100, string( global.hiscore ) );

at position 56: Unknown variable hiscore

Always test on a fresh install without a hiscore  Wink

Bill


the2bears - the indie shmup blog
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Read September 29, 2007, 07:27:07 pm #47
Ichigo Jam

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If you ignore that highscore assert enough times, you start getting this one about joysticks:
Code:
___________________________________________
ERROR in
action number 1
of  Step Event
for object player:

In script player_step:
Error in code at line 4:
   if global.useJoystick and joystick_exists(1)

at position 12: Unknown variable useJoystick
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Read September 30, 2007, 03:56:59 am #48
TehSilentOne

Re: BW-BG!`

lol.. i forgot to close the '/*' when commenting out my debugs.  embarrassed2

*deleting mistake*
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Read September 30, 2007, 04:08:48 am #49
Five Damned Dollarz

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I love it but in Random Mode, you have a MAJOR memory leak, I beat it and the red thing popped up, then it froze Sad
Can you please fix that? Smiley Wouldn't score well if it randomly froze on judges PCs Roll Eyes
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Read September 30, 2007, 06:01:58 am #50
the2bears

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I love it but in Random Mode, you have a MAJOR memory leak, I beat it and the red thing popped up, then it froze Sad
Can you please fix that? Smiley Wouldn't score well if it randomly froze on judges PCs Roll Eyes

Wow... that bug's a harsh one.  Brought my system to a standstill, took me 10 minutes to kill the process Sad

Bill


the2bears - the indie shmup blog
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Read September 30, 2007, 09:25:47 am #51
Five Damned Dollarz

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Actually, that memory leak is on all the game types... This is REALLY major Sad
You need to fix this up really fast Lips Sealed Otherwise you'll have a crashing game entered instead of a game that doesn't crash Smiley
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Read September 30, 2007, 11:47:30 am #52
9_6

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Yeah, me too.
Took 5 minutes to close the game.
I wonder how you managed to pull that off.
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Read October 01, 2007, 04:25:11 am #53
TehSilentOne

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. . .

o_o'
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Read October 01, 2007, 06:33:11 pm #54
motorherp

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Is this finished?  The last post I can find says its just a demo.  I'm afraid you've missed the deadline for more updates but do you want to submit what you have?
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Read October 01, 2007, 10:55:00 pm #55
TehSilentOne

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sure. why not. I don't mind. I've been too busy. I'll check this site once i'm done with this week. Tongue
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